No Man of God

At that Florida department of corrections facility

in stark, Florida,

the signal has now come

shortly after 7:00 this morning,

eastern time.

The signal came from the witness window

at the facility there that Ted Bundy,

convicted killer of a 12-year-old girl,

rape and murder of her in 1978,

had died in the electric chair.

Many of those outside the prison who had maintained a vigil

broke into cheers

following the signal that Bundy was dead.

After exhausting

a series of appeals that lasted 10 years,

Ted Bundy is dead.

If it was...

Something I could use, I would use it.

I would learn their routine...

When they got home from work,

how often they went out to dinner,

how often they ordered takeout.

If they had a boyfriend, when would he stop by?

Did she have a dog? Did it bark?

Those are the things I would learn.

Then on the night of the full moon,

I would make my approach.

The full moon is key.

You show a woman a badge at night,

know some real details about her,

she'll follow you right to your car.

That's where I would hit her over the head with a tire iron

hidden in the bumper behind the wheel well.

Once she was out, I would drive her out

to a spot I'd picked out weeks before,

secluded, wooded, no traffic,

where no one would see my car.

That's what I would do, if I did it.

But I didn't.

I'm innocent of the crimes for which I've been convicted,

as well as those I'm suspected of.

I'm an innocent man.

I was at Roger's right before Korea

with my first wife.

It wasn't my wife. They buried the pig.

Glad to hear that. We're all here.

And as you all know,

no good deed goes unpunished.

You guys did such a fine job

with the first 36 research interviews.

The deputy director wants another 36.

- Oh, so generous. - So...

We're gonna expand our list

to include serial rapists, child molesters,

and any of the serial murders

we didn't get to the first time around.

So, we put together a tentative wish list.

You guys all know the drill. You volunteer or be volunteered.

First up is berkowitz. Myers.

I got friends on the staff up in attica.

- I'll take a run at him. - Take it.

Sounds good. Bittaker.

I'll take bittaker. Worked the guy before.

You got some family in California,

- don't you? - Yeah, Cali boy.

I saw your hand shoot up there really quick.

You j... you just want to go to California. Alright.

- Got your number, bud. - Alright.

Hold on here. Bundy.

No one's taking that.

- No. - Anyone.

No way.

Yeah, I'll take him.

Don't waste your time, bro. He won't talk to you.

He hates feds. He won't talk to any of us.

I can always give it a shot.

- Yeah, give it a shot. - I've been fortunate in the past

with developing informants that nobody thought would talk.

We're all familiar with your record.

So why don't you meet with me after the meeting,

and we'll discuss this, okay?

Yes, sir.

Look, Roger, I don't want to buck.

I'm the new guy here.

I don't want to step on anyone's toes.

He's not gonna confess to anything,

but even the simplest thing, it might slip through.

Look, there are families out there looking for answers,

and if we can provide closure for just one,

it'll be worthwhile.

Alright.

I'll have them pull the files for you.

Oh, um...

Just the biography,

not the crime scene photos.

Hagmaier.

Hey, bill. It's will.

I reached out to the warden

about getting you into that interview.

- Did you talk to him? - Yeah, I did.

Bundy wants you to write him a letter.

Write him a what?!

A letter. Who knows with this guy.

Can you get it done by tomorrow?

Yeah, sure.

- I can do that. - Great.

You get it to me. I'll get it to Bundy.

Yeah. Alright.

- Thanks, will. - Yeah.

Agent bill hagmaier.

- Sign here. - Mm-hmm.

You've got to check your weapon.

Okay.

Agent, he's not gonna talk to you.

He hates the feds.

We've exchanged letters.

He has expressed interest.

Oh.

Yeah. I need you to talk to Bundy.

I have an agent, uh...

- Hagmaier. - Agent hagmaier.

Says he wants to talk to him or something.

Yeah. No, that's what I said.

Okay. Call me back.

A while back, a TV network offered him $50,000

to do a special.

He turned them down.

So, he's not going to do something like this for free.

Yeah.

Well, put him on.

I don't give a good god damn what he's doing.

Put him on the phone.

Yeah, Bundy. Are you sure about this?

Because I don't want any goddamn bullshit

splattering on my desk over it.

You'd think you're smarter than him.

You think you're gonna be the one

that's gonna get him to confess?

I don't think I'm smarter, sir.

I don't think you necessarily have to be smarter.

This is what's going to happen, agent hagmaier.

Ted Bundy will come down.

He'll toy with you for a little while.

He will cat and mouse with you.

He will make you think you are getting somewhere.

Then he's gonna leave you there,

go back to his cell,

and jerk off at the memory.

Well, at least that'll give me something to write about.

You know the drill.

Well, say something.

You came to talk to me,

Mr. Bundy, I'm special agent hagmaier.

I know who you are.

Well, I'm grateful

for you to take the time to see me today.

We're compiling a series of interviews

to try to find common threads

in the way that people think,

and we're finding it... Very helpful to get an idea

of what people in your...

Situation...

Well, what their childhoods were like,

what brings out their aggression,

what makes them angry?

My situation?

Your situation is quite unique

in that you also have, from what I understand,

an interest in the psychology of serial murderers.

I do.

You've been writing to an investigator up in Seattle.

Uh, yes.

You mean the green river thing?

Yeah, that's a really interesting case.

I don't have, uh, access to everything,

but i-I've started to piece some things together.

And that thought process is why I wanted to speak with you.

Not, it isn't.

Th-this is purely academic.

I know this is.

You FBI guys, you're all the same.

You think you're better than me.

You're all just hoover disciples

riding through on your high horses,

thinking you've got the biggest brains in the room.

If you're so smart, why aren't you bagging

serial killers left and right?

Why doesn't witness protection actually work?

If you testify, we'll Grant you immunity,

and you can go into witness protection.

Live out your life in a quaint small town.

But it never works. They always get killed.

- You can't protect them. - Well, witness protection is...

You are liars in cheap suits on government salaries,

and everything is an elaborate trap with you,

all so you can retire on a pension

- and write your damn book. - Look, I'm just...

No, no, no! You... Sell that to the tourists.

You can never trust an FBI man.

Not for a goddamn minute.