The Haunting of Fox Hollow Farm

...tranquil Fox Hollow Farm near Westfield.

...gruesome discovery.

Human bones and fragments first believed to have been what remained of seven victims.

Police now say there are eleven.

And then last week, police unearthed the remains

of five people on the Baumeister's grounds.

The bones may have been in the woods for 16 months.

Police say they have one daunting task remaining, identifying the victims.

Then they say that would close a sad and

macabre serial murder case that spanned decades.

Mr. Baumeister's lawyer called the judge and asked to delay a divorce hearing.

He couldn't find his client.

Well, apparently, Canadian police have, dead of an apparent suicide.

And everyone since that time has tried to distance themselves

from the story to try to get the property value back up.

But just things keep happening that lead us down

this other path, which is to tell the story.

Two families had hired me as a private investigator to

investigate the disappearance of two of their relatives.

Intelligent haunts are supposedly something that you can interact with.

They're sort of living, you know, in the current time period.

Or, versus, residual, which is almost like a tape recorder.

Very briefly, I saw someone in the woods, and it was just a person that looked like

somebody walking through with a red shirt on.

And I said, "Where is he?"

And she said, "Well, he's gone."

I said, "Where'd he go?"

And she said, "Well, um, I didn't tell you, but that's the second time I've seen it."

The serial killer is extremely intelligent.

I was standing right outside these doors, looked over to the woods, and.

a relatively young man walking away.

And he had, it was the same, looked like the same guy, had a red t-shirt on.

I think there were times his parents were afraid of him.

I'm gonna be honest.

I think there were times that when he would flip

into certain rages or things that children can do.

He looked like he was gonna walk into a tree.

And then when I looked a little closer, he didn't have any legs.

He disappeared.

And he just sort of disappeared into the tree.

His life history leading up to everything,

in the case of a person that was not mentally stable,

he was in a mental institution at a younger age.

I could be a serial killer, you could be a serial killer,

but they appear to be perfectly normal.

Herbert Baumeister is the Hamilton County businessman,

who committed suicide in 1996,

after detectives dug up the remains of seven men buried on his wooded estate.

If investigators are right, Baumeister was a serial killer.

Serial killer.

Many visitors to the property have the sense that

the spirits of those killed here still linger.

You don't know anything about this?

- Nothing. Not a thing. - Okay.

I have no clue where I am or any history of this place.

Okay.

What do you think, Tracy?

Interesting.

She said, a man in a red shirt with no legs.

And she said she'd seen it twice.

And he's walking away.

Now, I've been married 25 years.

She never told me anything even remotely like that.

They're not doing anything wrong.

I mean they have no conscience in the world they're living in.

And so they're out in the open.

And sometimes things that are out in the open are more invisible than things hidden.

During the time that Herb was traveling back and forth from Ohio, several bodies

that they felt had been abducted from the Indianapolis area.

He had been seen getting in the car with someone with

Herb's description and was never seen again.

He's gonna be finding bodies right and left.

I asked, "Did they find anything?"

And they said, "Oh, yeah. It's one of the most haunted houses in Indiana."

And I said, "Well, why, why do you say that?"

He says, "Well, haven't you seen anything?"

And I said, "Well, I haven't, but my wife has."

Said, "If you look out your master bathroom window, which is right there,

three trees and a drainage ditch, she saw a guy in a red shirt with no legs."

During that investigation, I had an informant that made contact with me that

said that he had been with somebody and had taken him to a house on the north side

and some strange things had happened to him at the house.

Now, I've been married 25 years.

She never told me anything even remotely like that.

That's how the spirits communicate with the living.

By the mere thoughts of the things of the past.

Okay, that's the native way.

He was intelligent, but he still had this aura about him.

Every time he came in, he just never stopped.

He always asked me to come up.

He indicated that he met him at a gay bar and that

they left the bar and drove north out of Indianapolis.

In 1996, this whole area was very remote.

It was just something that, was a big wall saying "NO" don't go up.

He indicated that they made several turns arounds,

so he wasn't 100% sure which way they'd gone.

He talked about his property up here and that I should could come up and see it.

Which I though was a strange thing to ask the first time you met someone.

The law of averages.

Ask enough people and eventually you'll get someone to take you up on your offer.

They came into the house, went to the basement

where there was an indoor swimming pool.

A lot of investigators wouldn't have taken this case.

And Mr. Vandagriff did

because of his background in homicide investigations, and...

And around the swimming pool or in the area of the swimming pool was mannequins.

The person I met had said that his name was Brian Smart and that he was a

caretaker of the property while the property owner was out of town.

You know, you just have someone who's mentally unstable

and who is the epitome of where a serial killer starts.

They were in the basement of the house at the swimming pool level.

And they did some alcohol and did some cocaine.

As he told the informant, I've had accidents.

After they played around for a while, the individual, who later was found to be

Herb Baumeister, asked him if he had ever done anything with

having something put around his throat and, in other words, asphyxiation.

Being here, was, felt, was like a drugged feeling.

It felt very much like

the old days of, like, Quaaludes or something's coming down, like a...

Yeah, temperature readings, EMF meter readings, and

do some magnetic readings as well.

He told her, no, he had not done that.

And he suggested they do it because it's extreme high during a sexual encounter.

Sexual asphyxiation is, with some people, it's kind of a normal process.

Some people just do it all the time.

There are two people, very much, that are still, I would say, trapped here.

Increasingly more common is the practice of

capturing spirit images in the ripples of water.

Focusing the camera on ripples in the pool informed

the investigators that they were not alone.

Is this a residual image?

A watery death mask depicting a victim's final moments?

They will cut off the blood supply to the brain and then they know when to let loose.

Is it a Phillip or Phillips or is it another name that's here?

So Herb put a swimming pool hose around his neck.

Herb started out using it as a sexual thrill.

The informer could feel the effects of it, felt like he was going to pass out,

so he acted like he passed out.

He stayed like that for a couple of minutes and then when he opened up his eyes,

Herb was extremely surprised that he was awake.

Serial killers are very intelligent people.

They know exactly what they're doing.

We had an independent psychic come who was not familiar with this location whatsoever.

Never heard of it.

She didn't even know where she was after I told her.

And as we sat down after she walked around a little while,

she said, "Uh, there are spirits here."

As soon as we pulled in the driveway, it's a real long driveway,

and I just got this sense of dread.

The first thing I had seen in the woods, the, the red shirt.

The dog took right after it. Right, right after it.

It was really spooky.

Do you feel anything?

In here.

What do you feel?

I feel nothing.

Vicki feels something.

Murder done in here.

Is there someone trying to enter through here?

Can you show us a sign and let us know that you're here?

There's something. It's kind of weird.

They know what to look for in a potential victim.

He would look for people that were obviously over-drinking, and he'd wait

until they became intoxicated, and then he'd have a conversation with 'em, and,

and, and talk them into

coming up here with him when they were intoxicated.

He had a much better chance of controlling them and getting them up here.

Ed!

I'm getting, like, Edward or Edwin, Ed, something E.

There was two people that got killed in here.

And another person by the name of Ron, Ronald, Robert, something with an R.

So they both talked about what had happened and went to sleep.

He was going to try to get Herb's billfold from him to get his name, etc.

As he came close to Herb while Herb was asleep, Herb moved around and he was

afraid that Herb would wake up and see what he was doing.

So after Herb did wake up,

they talked about what happened and, and,

Herb had taken him around the house, showed him some rooms in the house.

But E.V.P. is supposedly the

digital imprint of a voice that you can't hear with your ears.

So the theory is that these spirits sort of know, having lived in sort of this

dimension at one time, they know what the capacity of the human brain is,

and then they're going to use the energies that they have available to them

to manipulate it into something that they know that we understand.

He said that one of the rooms in the upper

part of the house had a video camera set up.

But I'm sitting at my computer here, which is just feet away.

This door flew open so violently hard, it left a huge mark in the door.

And that one of the rooms down by the pool area

also had a video camera set up.

He then talked Herb into taking him back to Indianapolis, which he did,

took him back to the bar where he picked him up and let him off.

They had talked about getting together and meeting again.

So he had this flip side life that he got to control.

Part of the theory of why he took that particular person back,

Herb would normally pick up people that were maybe

5'10", 5'11", 150 pounds, something like that.

This guy was like 6'5", he was not a large build,

but he was an extremely tall person.

And he was very vocal with Herb, let Herb know that he