Heaven's Gate: The Cult of Cults

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I'm David Masters, this is Radioactive Talk,

on the Talk Radio.

Our guests on this particular program

are Rick and Yvonne

and they've devoted their lives,

along with a number of other people on the planet,

to awaken the rest of us up,

uh, to some very important truths as they see it.

One of the important truths

is the end of civilization as we know it.

Is this correct?

Get right up on the mic.

We feel very strongly

that this is the end times

that was prophesized by in the Bible.

That is a known fact one of the messages that you bring.

That-- and this is part of our message, yes.

Let me ask you this,

how do you know you're not hypnotized?

Or deceased? Or brainwashed?

Do I look hypnotized?

Do I look brainwashed?

- Yeah. - All right.

But then again, so do I.

No, I think you do-- you-- you have, uh,

a particular look on your face

of a person who is in a hypnotic trance.

Well, when you mention being brainwashed,

I think we-- we thought about that too.

Over-- you know, over some time

and we feel that, in a lot of ways,

we hope we are.

Ti and Do gave us the tools

to brainwash ourselves.

Literally wash out our humanness

from our brains.

And that's the same thing that was meant by Baptism.

There was washing your humanness out of you

and starting fresh, like a new creature.

Like the butterfly,

the beginning of the butterfly.

The mind that you had as a human,

is aborted and the soul that was given to you

is filled with next level information,

next level mind,

and a new creature is born.

Brainwashing is one of the controversial terms

in this field.

And-- and there are some academics

who want us to think that it doesn't exist.

But as someone who brainwashed people,

I can guarantee you that it does exist.

One of the myths about cults

is that they're all religious.

And, in fact, there's many kinds of cults.

I myself was in a political cult.

The Democratic Workers Party.

We were a very strict Marxist-Leninist organization.

I thought that I was going to

help bringing back social change.

After about the sixth year I got very disillusioned.

I didn't stay out of any kind of loyalty to the leader,

I didn't stay even

out of any loyalty to the belief system

at that point.

I stayed because I was scared,

and I couldn't figure out how to leave.

So I was in for about 10 and a half years,

People do go through a very deep

psychological change that is brought about

by the indoctrination methods in the group.

And the group really believed

that they were training for this trip to outer space.

They said: "We want to be part of a crew.

A crew which acts as a whole."

And they looked at Star Trek and said: "That's it."

Captain's log, stardate 41153.7.

Our destination is planet Deneb IV,

beyond which lies the great unexplored mass of the galaxy.

We watched several approved TV programs.

Star Trek was one of them.

It was about expanding

our potential into space travel.

Which was analogous to what we were doing.

Initiate docking procedures.

Maneuvering thrusters only.

...for as a benefit of the overall collective.

We do are on a quest to better ourselves.

Evolving toward a state of perfection.

Who are you?

I am the Borg.

The Borg have a collective consciousness,

there are no individuals.

Do said that's like depicting the Next Level.

The members of the Borg.

I thought: "Ooh."

That's-- that's kind of, like, uncomfortable,

A cog in wheel is a very significant item,

when you are in our Father's Kingdom

serving as a member of a crew.

We are the Borg, resistance is futile.

In the group

we obviously didn't go out and get haircuts

at the barber shop.

So we would cut each other's hair.

I was a hair cutter at one point,

I cut hair, you know?

Oh!

Well, next time you come in you'll be cutting my hair.

Within the first couple of years,

after Ti passed,

we were gathered in the main room,

Do is taking questions,

and I raised my hand

To make an observation

because it was in the morning, my...

my voice was a little bit...

huskier.

Hence, we're moving into a world that is genderless,

we are doing everything we can do

to not identify with a gender.

But I was...

humiliated.

I felt this smoldering anger

come up in me.

And then, after that,

I gradually developed this severe

inability to speak like--

like I have still

'cause there's always this push-pull,

always this suppression.

I wrote a note to Do,

telling him I'm feeling

I can't be in the group anymore.

He came to talk to me and said:

"You are throwing away

"your opportunity to graduate.

"You haven't done anything

"to displease me.

There's no reason for you to leave."

And I kept returning to this, gut knowing,

and saying: "I'm sorry, I have no choice."

A couple days after I arrived in Calgary,

Erika called me on the phone.

And, of course,

there would've been somebody else

on the extension.

Check partner.

I don't know if she would've wanted to say anything

but she had her check partner in the extension.

That was the last time I spoke to her.

This is a thing people don't understand

about leaving cult,

you're-- you're leaving your whole world.

And you don't know what's out there

and you've been fed a bunch of bull

about what's gonna happen to you.

In Heaven's Gate you weren't this person.

So you really had nothing to go back to.

And so, to me,

that's a far deeper type of indoctrination.

Steve Hassan is a world renowned cult expert.

He himself was recruited into a cult at 19 years of age.

Now, he's written a book called

Combatting Cult Mind Control.

Steve, what's going on here?

People can be systematically broken down,

indoctrinated, through controlling information,

controlling their behavior, controlling their thoughts,

controlling their emotions,

and made into obedient, dependent slaves,

or clones, of the cult leader.

In my work counseling people who have left cults,

you know, physically leaving the cult

doesn't get it out of your head.

Specially if you've been in it for years.

People tend to blame the members,

they did not appreciate

the robust amount of social psychological

destructive mind control techniques

that were systematically applied.

They made people cut off from their family and friends.

They made people be in couples.

So they had no privacy.

They changed their names.

They changed their clothing.

They change their diet.

It's classic mind control, in my opinion,

to create a new pseudo-identity

that was obedient.

The experiment of Solomon Asch

examines behavior under the pressure

of social forces.

In my practice,

when I'm doing interventions with people,

I show videos of the Asch Conformity Study.

The experiment you'll be taking part in today,