Hellier

The Ganzfeld is one way to communicate, potentially...

Yeah.

Or to at least receive...

a vision of some sort.

Gordon!

He's just going to keep meowing.

- Maybe Dana shut the door or something?

Gordy...

Hey buddy, hello!

Can we reset in a second?

If I go open that door and let him in?

Yeah, absolutely.

- Hey. Do you wanna go see your momma?

What's going on? What do you need?

What are you doing?

Um... I'm not saying

this is anything, but it might be worth noting.

At one point while you were talking about Hellier,

my ears started ringing.

Which seems strange.

What happened?

While you were talking.

In the middle of the conversation.

Talking about Hellier?

- About five minutes ago, you were like...

"Just the town of Hellier..." is just...

You were saying about how... goodness.

It was about how, um...

it's uncomfortable and this and this...

And your ears started ringing?

My ears started ringing, yeah.

What do you think that means?

- I don't know! I just played it off!

I was like, "this is... okay..."

And then it faded away.

It was...

- Maybe you can't "wash the Hellier off..."

No, I think you can...

- Listen, I got... - Don't tell me that!

I got the distinct impression:

Something happened in that cave.

Something... we experienced something in that cave

that will probably have a lingering effect.

Oh! Jesus Christ!

Now that we're talking about this...

I wish Dana was still awake because...

Fuck.

Do you ever have that feeling... It's not... this isn't deja vu.

It's a dream. I had a dream one time. Years ago.

About having a conversation about being part of something

that...

just the fact of being there,

there was something that was going to occur

and going to continue to occur.

And it feels familiar.

Like it just...

One of those things that you normally wouldn't remember,

"It was just a dream."

I'm gonna have to ask her about it, because...

Just, uh... Just saying,

"Something happened."

Something happened in that cave.

And I haven't been able to shake the feeling that

we don't know what that was yet.

So, like, the fact that just hearing "Hellier"

hearing somebody talk about Hellier and

your ears start ringing?

That's odd.

Yeah.

I don't know, man...

The more we research this thing,

and the more weird stuff happens with this thing,

and the more we research the people who came before us

who researched stuff like this,

the more it seems pretty evident that now we're like,

"in the shit."

And that doesn't typically...

like, you don't get to just go, "eh, I'm done."

It comes up, and I realize that it sounds like

you know, cosmic mumbo-jumbo,

but there's a reason we were there.

Anything that led to that case wasn't supposed to happen.

Anything that led to that cavern...

We were never supposed to be in that cavern!

- Yeah. - Never!

Had we just driven down to Hellier and

been able to find a house that looked kinda like David's

and got permission to go on the property, and hang out at the cave,

It would've been... you know,

Who knows what would've happened, but...

All the series of events that led to us being in that place

at that time...

are pretty strange.

Even the synchronicities that led Karl to go,

"We should go do this, we should go document this."

That in and of itself!

A random auto-tweet from a 1700+ archive of stories

I know!

- AS he's listening to the story of the goblins...

I mean, I don't...

I was expecting to go down and make a documentary about

this guy who saw goblins in his back yard.

And how strange that was.

But this is stranger!

I didn't, uh...

I didn't expect all this.

What is happening?

- If you told him that... If you told him that right now,

his head would explode.

- We didn't even talk about the Spirit Box thing.

- We didn't talk about a lot of stuff!

Well no, I mean, it's hard.

- It only gets fucking weirder than we ever told him.

- And it's hard to explain that, you know, in a phone call.

- We've had like 4-pages of synchronicities right now.

You can't explain that in a phone call!

- That is bizarre. That's SO bizarre.

- See, it's starting to get to the point now where it's more,

it feels more like... yeah, synchronicities and yada yada

It feels more like teasing.

- Yeah. - Yeah.

- Like antagonizing. - Antagonistic.

- Like it feels more like they're toying with us

than "we're being led somewhere."

- Like, oh ohh - Like, it's showing off.

- Look at them, they're at a brick wall.

- It's showing off! - Well here, let's do this.

- Which is all Mothman Prophecies too,

they just started fucking around the whole way.

Like you follow the leads and there'd just be fuckery there.

Inexplicable fuckery.

That is so strange.

- My back is like... my hair is standing up...

Okay. - Alright.

Well, let's call that guy. I'm gonna go to the bathroom

and freak out for a second!

I'm actually just gonna go to the bathroom, but...

The synchronicities...

My thoughts about synchronicities

is that they are telling you that you're moving in the right direction.

They're telling you that something's happening and you're supposed

to be paying attention to something that's happening.

So the fact that there were all of these synchronicities

that even led to the fact that we went to Hellier

in the first place and continued to ramp up as we were in Hellier

was telling me we were on to something.

Something was happening.

It was just what part of that to pay attention to.

One of the weirder things about synchronicities was told to me

by John Tenney, the researcher and good friend of mine,

who was having his own experiences with kind of a

goblin-like creature that he experienced

up in Michigan in the winter.

Now, it was actually the same weekend

that I met Greg and Dana for the first time

there at the Stanley Hotel that he told me about all these

synchronicities that he was having related to this creature.

And he illustrated it in a fascinating way,

where these synchronicities weren't just random,

mystical-type occurrences or sign-posts.

He actually called my attention toward the fact that

they might be manifestations of the phenomena.

The same way that a spirit can appear or speak

or touch you on the shoulder, synchronicity might be a way

that these goblin-like entities manifest to us.

So in some ways it could be almost a way of communication

and that's what it felt like

when we were there in Hellier, in the thick of it all.

Jack... last name is... Matney.

Hello?

- Mr Matney, my name's Connor, how are you?

Just fine.

- Thank you. Thank you for speaking with us.

We got your information from Joey.

We're here in town... Specifically, we're up

in Jenkins right now, but we're in the area,

and we are looking into claims that we received

of some three-toed footprints,

and word is you've had a similar experience.

Well, I... I guess.

Thirty years ago, we used to go into the Number...

I don't know if you'd call it the Number 2 or Number 3 cabin

up there in Jenkins. - Okay.

- And we used to into this cave. Now there's a track,

and I could put my two fingers down in the track.

Yeah.

Like uh, I don't know if you would call it a turkey track or something.

So, it, it...

I could put my two fingers in the track and my thumb

would be back, sort of like a turkey track.

But it was way on down in the cavern too.

- Yeah. So was it fairly small? How many inches across

would you say it was?

- Just... it's about the size of my two fingers on my hand.

Okay.-I laid it down in there...

Right.

- And I don't know. One of them claims they sent it off

and it was some kind of prehistoric bird or something, you know.

It might've been a lizard track, but uh...

It was down in there.