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What happened?
It collapsed.
The top floors collapsed down.
We was in an explosion.
We was in the lobby and the third explosion
the whole lobby collapsed on us.
- What was it like, what was it like?
Horrible, horrible.
The whole building just collapsed on us
inside the lobby.
- Was that a secondary explosion?
Yes it was
It was like three explosions after that.
We came in after the fire, we came when the fire
was going on already.
We was in the staging area inside the building.
Waiting to go upstairs.
The whole lobby collapsed on the lobby inside.
- When the first of the towers actually started
falling down, I just said this can't happen.
It can't happen.
And then the other tower came down
and I said this violates the laws of physics.
It can't happen.
Those aircraft and those fires could not cause
those buildings to come down in that way.
- I am the highest ranking officer I believe
that has ever gone public
that whatever that story was, the official story
was not true.
When you look at the tower coming down,
what you see are at each floor,
successive puffs of smoke.
Puff, puff, puff, puff, puff, all the way down.
What are the puffs of smoke coming from?
Well, they claim they're from the collapsing floors.
Uh uh, uh uh, no no no.
Those puffs of smoke are controlled demolitions.
That's exactly what they are
because that's exactly how they work.
- The most obvious hypothesis for anyone looking
at the films and that was a lot of people,
is that the buildings came down because
there was very carefully controlled demolition
with high explosives that had been planted many
weeks if not months before.
- Nothing no more is worse than this.
You're in the building trying to help people
and it's exploding on you inside the building
So I don't think it could get any worse than this.
- Looking anew at 9/11 is a lot like watching
a great movie that at the end you find out a detail
that transforms the whole experience of the movie.
That the characters, the scenes, all have a different
meaning that need to be reprocessed.
Sometimes we go to see the movie again
to understand what was actually happening
that we didn't the first time.
Reprocessing 9/11 will inevitably stir up new hurts.
We've already been through the trauma,
but now realizing that there's a different meaning
cuts in a different way, and we have to be willing
to endure those pains, those hurts, and those fears
that are required there.
And in some way we have to relive 9/11 anew.
- I think we can all relate to the initial shock and awe
of the planes approaching the World Trade Center,
going into them, we were terrified, we thought
the country was under attack, and then we were given
an explanation within 24 to 48 hours
that this was forces from the Mid East, 19 Arabs,
and that flashbulb memory, that traumatic event
has stayed with us ever since.
It's been called shock and awe in another context
with Iraq, but there was a shock and awe definitely in that
case and the media theory says that the first story
is the one that sticks with you.
- September 11 the world experienced a shock
and especially the American people
and then we got disoriented in a state of what is called
cognitive dissonance where we had two different ideas
that did not go together.
For example, in America we thought we were safe.
And yet now we were not.
Where were those military airplanes
that are supposed to protect us?
We saw the airplanes flying into the towers
and then the towers collapsing.
The explanation was somewhere it was a structural failure.
Then later on we heard from architects and engineer
that it was not possible.
It did not follow the principle of physical laws.
- People continue to be either oblivious to the fact
that this information exists or completely resistant
to looking at this information.
So the question becomes why?
Why is it that people have so much trouble hearing
this information?
Now as we know the horrors of what happened on 9/11
were televised all over the world,
and they were televised in fact live so that millions
of people witnessed that, and millions of Americans
witnessed what was happening, we witnessed the deaths
of almost 3,000 of our fellow Americans.
We know this had a very severe and traumatic impact
on a large majority of the population.
I myself cried for weeks after September 11th.
So I think it's safe to say that collectively as a nation,
because of what happened on September 11th,
we experienced trauma.
Specifically, if we thought the world was a safe place,
after we've experienced or witnessed a trauma
we often think the world is not a very safe place anymore.
And so it very much changes our beliefs about the world,
it changes our ability to trust other people
and to trust other entities.
- Many people have rightly commented that 9/11
is a religious issue.
As a theologian I agree with that.
I accept the definition of religion given by Paul Tillich
many years ago saying that religion deals with
matters of ultimate concern.
Now theologian John Cobb has stated that
starting in the 15th and 16th century
we had a major shift in the understanding of
religious concern.
That prior to that time, people were Christians or Jews
and or some other religion, and that was their
primary identity, that was their ultimate concern.
But it shifted in the 15th century
to nationalism, and nationalism in various countries
became the new religion.
This is certainly true in the United States
where Americanism trumps Christianity for many Christians.
I gave a lecture a few years ago called
9/11 and Nationalist Faith.
And in that I argued that even though people who are
Christians or Jews and then if they're Christians
some particular type of Christianity like
the Presbyterian church or Methodist church
or the Catholic church that they actually tend to
subordinate that to their concern for America,
for their devotion to America.
I was interviewed by one of the well-known
talk show hosts on television and they came to the home
and interviewed me and it was going very well
from my point of view but the talk show host
got very upset and finally just blurted out,
"That's blasphemy!"
- It is wrong, blasphemous and sinful for you to suggest,
imply, or help other people come to the conclusion
that the US government killed 3,000 of its own citizens
because--
- And blasphemy is a religious issue.
He was treating Bush and Cheney as if they were
religious figures, as if, frankly, they were
members of the Holy Trinity.
So that was another great revelation to me
that for many people their devotion to the country
or even the political representative of the country
are more important and of religious importance than
claims about what really happened on 9/11.
So I think people need to think seriously through their own
religious commitment, whether they're Christians or Jews
or Muslims or Hindus or Buddhists, think about what it is
they are truly most ultimately concerned about
and if that is God, then they would say
truth is the most important thing.
So I need to be open to the possible truth
of the 9/11 truth movement, even if that is very
threatening to me
and to my commitment to my nation.
- A lens through which to understand the resistance
that we all have against hearing information
that contradicts our worldview, our information
about the official story of 9/11 is what social
psychologists call cognitive dissonance.
For example, with 9/11 we have one cognition
which is the official story of 9/11,
what our government told us, what our media
repeated to us over and over, that 19 Muslims
attacked us.
On the other hand we have what scientists, researchers,
architects, engineers are now beginning to tell us
which is that there is evidence that shows
that the official story cannot be true,
that 9/11 was most likely a false flag operation.
So now we've lost our sense of security.
We are starting to feel vulnerable.
Now we're confused.
Now we have a choice, and we all have this choice
and what some of us will tend to do is
deny the evidence that's coming our way
and stick to the original story, the official story,
and to try to regain our equilibrium in that way.
Another thing we can do is decide to look at the conflicting
evidence and be sincere and be open-minded and look at
both sides of the issue and then make up our own mind
about what reality is.
- One thing I would like people to know is that you don't
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